Boeing 737 Max 9: Here we go again

So now we have a door and “explosive decompression”. A warning light that was bypassed with an “alternate” light. And numerous other max 9s with loose bolts at the door…and platitudes regarding safety from the airline, manufacturer and the feckless FAA.

I received a "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going" sticker from a GE training years ago (Boeing showed up to training to give their SAFETY spiel). I proudly hung that sticker in my office at my previous employer, but I most definitely left it there when I changed jobs.

Spirit Aerosystems installed the door plug. This may turn into Boeing blaming Spirit for not installing the door plug correctly and Spirit blaming Boeing for poor design or poor specifications such as an incorrect torque spec on the bolts where multiple examples of loose bolts have been found.

Fly Boeing Max planes at your own risk. This whole Max redesign was done on the cheap and is a clown show.

Bev D said:

United finds loose bolts on 737 Max 9 planes in wake of Alaska Airlines door plug incident

United Airlines says that it has found loose bolts during inspections of its 737 Max 9 fleet in the wake of a door plug getting blown out of an Alaska Airlines plane.

abcnews.go.com

So now we have a door and “explosive decompression”. A warning light that was bypassed with an “alternate” light. And numerous other max 9s with loose bolts at the door…and platitudes regarding safety from the airline, manufacturer and the feckless FAA.

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Boeing's lawyers need to talk to Phillips lawyers about Rapid Unplanned Disassembly.

It was simply a case of improved ventilation...

I've had doors pop off & out but not at no 16,000 ft @ 400 mph..........100ft @ 110mph is enough of a thrill.

Let's have a round of applause for all the AS standards and quality tied to them.

Maybe Boeing should get certified to AS9100.

Boeing problems:

• Multiple serious problems with 737 Max.
• Manufacturing problems with 787
• Problems and delays getting the 777X certified.
• Massive cost overruns on the KC-46 tanker which is based on the 767. The 767 has been previously converted to a tanker for Japan, so there should have been few surprises.

Pretty sad stuff, BA once a bastion of US engineering & manufacturing prowess...some "bleacher observations" are in order; once
1) finance/wall street cognoscenti assumed leadership of BA and dollars trumped getting it right
2) hey lets move our corporate headquarters from our Seattle, pretty much the BA birthplace to Chicago, the national capital of corruption

The firm has experienced a steady downhill descent (no pun intended)

As I recall Spirit Aerostructures is a BA spin-off?

Please share your thoughts, and to be certain these are at best, from my perspective, correlation(s), not necessarily causation

Cheers Optomist1

optomist1 said:

Please share your thoughts

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Just some fodder to add to the speculation around this event. The plane being brand new with fewer than 150 pressurization cycles makes material fatigue a highly unlikely possibility. With the 2 year hold on deliveries of the Max model line due to the crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia and the ensuing investigation, I am positive that there has been a massive workforce ramp down on most direct suppliers to the 737 Max program. It is “easy” to imagine new workers involved with the door plug installation process might not have been as properly qualified for the tasks at hand. Ditto for fasteners torquing tools and subsequent integrity checks. To me, it could be a case of product integrity and safety failure due to drastic ramp down, prolonged idling and “fast” ramp up cycle, something that brings risks poorly addressed even in robust QMS’s. Again, this is speculation on my side.