IAQG News Designation of aerospace standards to be revised - from AS91X0 to IA91X0 + Hints on 9100 upcoming Revision

IAQG selects SAE International as global publisher of standards – IAQG

Currently, published standards will remain under the same sector-related distribution channels. In addition to having a singular, global publisher, the new and newly revised standards will have a consistent look and format. For example, the naming structure for newly developed and released standards will follow the standard naming prefix of IA (for International Aerospace). Previously released standards will transition from sector designations of AS, EN, SJAC or JISQ to the new singular designation at the time of revision.

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In the podcast available @ ‎The Quality Horizon Podcast: Insights into the 9100 Series on Apple Podcasts there are hints of the upcoming changes to the IA9100 standard replacing AS9100.

They have no clue of the configuration management recurring nightmare they are about to embark on.

Two additional presentations with hints on the upcoming changes are available @

• IA9100 Key Change Presentation – Clause View
• IA9100 Key Changes Presentation – Process View

Will there be any real effect on the quality of aircraft and component manufacturing?

Product quality, in my view, has been improving consistently and, in some cases, dramatically in several sectors including the ASD sector. In my assessment improvement in product quality is one of the outcomes associated with modern system management. Maybe you have a different perspective.

Sidney Vianna said:

Maybe you have a different perspective.

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Possibly but I'd be called rude, unprofessional, hateful and not nice.

I'll say my perspective is different than probably everyone else's here from the neanderthal, knuckle dragger side of things, I'm an A&P and still have to get my hand in to maintain my "competence" in fixed wing, rotary wing, turbine & internal combustion aircraft. So I see how stuff is made, how it fits, old & new in ways others don't. I see what I see. I'll leave it there.

Maybe this deserves it's own "is quality improving?" thread, but I'll chime in.

I've been "in quality" since the 80's and while I have seen some improvement it is nowhere near what it should have been. Yes, many things are also getting more complex, which skews things as well. But I still see egregious quality things from established, ISO/AS certified firms. Improvement is usually made only when demanded by customers, not because mgt believes it will improve their bottom line or that "quality is free". I see and read and hear of very poor and sometimes illegal hiring and people management practices.

If there is dramatic improvement taking place I'm not seeing it in the mfg sectors I interact with.

Mike S. said:

If there is dramatic improvement taking place I'm not seeing it in the mfg sectors I interact with.

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In relation to product quality improvement that I referred to, can’t you just acknowledge how much better things are? Remember cars that needed new spark plugs and a tune up every 10,000 miles? You can be flying cross country in a commercial jet accessing a wifi at 200 Mbps now. Your iPhone 15 has more computing power than all of IBM had in the 1970’s (made up claim ) . Impossible to deny the obvious.

That is obvious product capability improvement. But in many cases the radiators or fan blower motors have nearly as many defects when they reach the assembly factory as they did 20 years ago.

As automated equipment becomes more capable, I see huge improvements in quality. For the six sigma guys that seem to have adopted as part of the definition of quality is that of consistency, at least consistently meeting specification. The fly in the ointment is that as the machine capabilities increase, they are demanded to make more and more complex parts. CNC machining centers can consistently turn out parts that are very near nominal that would have been impossible to have made at all let alone consistently meeting specification on manual mills and lathes.

The main issue in quality today that I see is the sloppy management of larger companies. Boeing moving headquarters to Chicago far away from any production and managing from an ivory tower, having lost all touch with what really is going on in production. Quality talk is far from quality walk.