TS 16949 Quality Manual Templates - Lots of free examples and great discussion!

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Dawn

Thank You Don!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont believe anyone really wants to copy a manual - the problem is there is no guidance and people do what they think is right and have only to wait until an auditor comes in to find out if it is right - then it is too late so they type up procedures and instructions (myself included) to cover word for word what the standard states becuase depending on the auditor coming in; they decide for you what is right and worng.

I am on a time constraint to be certifed to TS by next November 2003; so I'm looking for any help I can get on the process maps. All I was told by our auditor is that there is no worng way to do it. Yeah ok................
 
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Allie

Is it advisable for the same person to be both the Management Rep and the Customer Rep?

(sorry if this is a dumb question)



Allie
 
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Don Wood - 2011

Experience and old habits

Martin and Jim,

I hear where you're coming from. I had to learn a whole new way of thinking myself when I got involved in this line of work. I'm lucky to have the opportunity to work with some of the best folks in the country - and perhaps the world - on TS2. Talk about a blind squirrel finding a nut!

I would urge the consulting community to attend AIAG training on TS2 before making the assumption that TS2 is going to be handled just like QS-9000 was. The emphasis on TS2 is squarely on processes and conformance to ALL customer requirements - part quality, delivery performance, process performance, and so on. The "paperwork mill" approach to QS that many (perhaps most) companies used (including, I'm now embarassed to admit, my first implementation) will not fly in the TS world.

"Elemental" audits are going away as well. Process Approach auditing as mandated by the IAOB will focus sqaurely on the ability of an organization's processes to meet customer requirements - ALL customer requirements. CB auditors will be expected to understand and analyze an organization's processes, and structure their aduits accordingly, developing specific, focused questions based primarily on process performance and determining if customer requirements are being met. The auditors will dig a lot deeper then ever before, especially when a process isn't performing to customer requirements. It's going to feel a lot like a second party audit in that respect. The Quality Systems Checklist is intended to be used as a planning aid (to ensure that all TS requirements are covered in the audit plan), and at the conclusion of audits to ensure and document that all TS2 requirements were examined.

Guys, the IAOB (and the automakers they represent) are dead serious about this. Check out the IAOB website and read the communiques. Attend one of the AIAG rollout sessions. I haven't confimed this independently, but one of my contacts that works with AIAG said that last year, the automakers recalled more cars than they produced! And the lion's share of that is due to supplier quality issues. I've worked most of my career, and I know that the automakers themelves are not exactly blameless in this, considering some of their procurement and cost-reduction policies, But let's face it - in this business, it's the Golden Rule. They have the gold, they make the rules. And they're sick of losing market share to the Japanese because most people perceive Japanese cars as being better quality and more reliable.

I have personally heard the DC rep to the IAOB state, on more than one occaison, that if the automakers do not see significant improvement in supplier quality, THEY WILL GO BACK TO SECOND PARTY ASSESSMENTS! The GM rep has publicly stated the same thing. I don't think anyone wants that, and before you pooh-pooh the notion and think to yourself "Nah, that'll never happen."
let me tell you. I looked the DC guy in the eye whil he was saying it, and I believed him. **** skippy I believed him.

Under the new scheme, if the IAOB gets reports from the automakers about quality issues with suppliers, THEY may choose to initiate the decertification process themselves. You can see that outlined in the "Rules for Achieving IATF Recognition", availble from AIAG. For TS2, CBs have contracts direct with the IAOB, and the IAOB has responsibility for conducting witness audits for TS2 - NOT the IAOB. If a number of suppliers with quality problems are clients of the same CB, then the CB's contract with the IAOB could well be in jeopardy. There's only about 50 CBs worldwide sanctioned to perform TS2 audits - that alone should tell you something (the list is on the IAOB's website).

The winds of change are blowing, and knowledge is power. Before you assume that TS2 is going to be like QS, get the straight scoop from the folks that are close to the process - AIAG and Plexus. You won't regret it, except as you may regret getting involved in automotive in the first place! ;)
DW
 
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Don Wood - 2011

Witness Audits - oops!

I meant to say the IAOB has the responsibility to perform witness audits, NOT the RAB, for TS2. Sorry, it's been a long day!
DW
 
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Mick Davison

TS 16949 Quality Manual

Hi. Yet another first timer

I stumbled across the Elsmar Cove Forums whilst searching through Yahoo for assistance in preparing my Company for transition to TS 16949, and it appears to be a wonderful forum for like minded Quality Professionals to share their knowledge and experience.

I am spending a lot of time converting my ISO 9002 system (skipping QS 9000) and was hoping that someone could help me with production of my Quality Manual. All I am looking for, is ideas for simplifying my manual and avoiding time consuming mistakes.

If I can do anything to save some time, by drawing on the good work already completed by others, I would be really grateful.

Hoping someone can help, I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Thanks, Mick
 
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db

First of all Mick, Welcome to the Cove!!!:bigwave:


I think it is important that you not throw away all of your 9002 stuff. It might be useful later.

Now, why 16949? Why not just 9001:2000? The intent of the task force is that not all QS companies will qualify for TS. You might want to check to see if it applies.

If you do, then get a copy of the standard and the checklist. Perform a gap analysis to determine what areas you need to do additional work.

Two key things:

1) There is great emphasis on process thinking. Audits will have to be based on the process, not just the standard.

2) There is a greater emphasis on customer satisfaction than in 9002. Look at those parts of the requirements.


One last thing. If you have any specific questions, perform a search of the Cove, based on your needs. There is a wealth of knowledge here.

Once again: Welcome :bigwave:
 
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Mick Davison

Thanks Dave

Unfortunately, I do have to seek registration to TS 16949. We are currently Ford Q1 approved, and they have been pushing for QS 9000 approval, but we have decided to go the other route, because of our current and potential European customers.

I suppose that what I am looking for, is a copy of someone's Manual, to get a feel for the set up. Processes are not a problem, and are mostly complete, diagramatic and flowcharts etc, but I don't want to waste my time on a complex manual if I can borrow someone else's ideas for a simple version.

Thanks again. Mick
 
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M Greenaway

Mick

The TS requirements are:-

4.2.2 Quality manual
The organization shall establish and maintain a quality manual that includes
a) the scope of the quality management system, including details of and justification for any exclusions (see 1.2),
b) the documented procedures established for the quality management system, or reference to them, and
c) a description of the interaction between the processes of the quality management system

The big difference from your 9002:1994 manual will be items a) and more importantly c) above. Also you may note that you no longer have to regurgitate the content of the standard in your manual - hooray.

Some people have spoken of one page manuals, I havent seen one yet, but it will probably be a slimmer document than your current manual (assuming you have followed the time honoured tradition of copying ISO9002 into your manual).
 
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dbzman

Manual

I have heard that the manual should be smaller, mainly because of 4.2.2 being specific about what is required. The only confusion seems to be in the interpretation of (c).
What would satisfy "a description of the interactions between the processes of the quality management system"?

I am trying to avoid a regurgitation of the standard.

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Paul Morrow

What would satisfy "a description of the interactions between the processes of the quality management system"?

Examples of your process diagrams would be easy

Regards
 
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