Does a Quality Manual have to be in the format of ISO 9001:2000?

Ettore

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Marc said:
No - It does not.

No - It does not. today, but I remember that in 1990 we have written the first "quality manual" and it didn't pass the pre-assesment because it was written follow sections of iso 9004:1987. So we have had spend all our summer holiday to rewrite it. Since 1990 I followed the point of ISO 9001. I like spend my holidays in peace. By
 
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db

Once again, I go back to: "What does the standard say?" 4.2.2 tells us what has to be in the manual. It tells us nothing about what the manual has to look like. ISO 10013 (if my memory serves me correctly) was the guidance on how to build a quality manual. But, it was only guidance. If you can meet all the requirements of 4.2.2 with a single page manual, and have it work for you, great. I think most companies will find that a one pager will not meet their needs.

But as far at the original post, as has been stated by the above, the QM does not have to mirror the standard.
 
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Phil P

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Yes, sure, but why if we search in internet the 99% of quality manuals mirror the standard :confused:

I think it's because most people included their procedures in the manual (that was certainly the case in the company that I work for). I've taken them all (the procedures) out and we currently have a two-pager (may be increased to three pages when we integrate an EMS into our QMS.

IMHO the size of the manual is dictated only by the number of processes performed by the company (as you need to demonstrate the interaction of these various processes). The complexity of the processes is irrelevant, the detail should be in the procedures.
 
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Boy, am I glad to see this thread with these responses. We had a consultant come in last year to write a quality manual for us because one of our Navy customers required it. It is so full of ISO/government/navy/blah blah language, I don't think our managers would be able to understand it, let alone the field employees. Also, keep in mind that the navy is about 20% of our business, not the majority. So, needless to say I've spent the past 6 months trying to decode the manual (and new QProcedures) into everyday language that coincides with our other SOP's and EH&S policies/procedures already in place. It's been a mind numbing ride!

By the way, yes, I am new to the cove as well as relatively new to Quality/ISO. This site is great!
 
newbie said:
By the way, yes, I am new to the cove as well as relatively new to Quality/ISO. This site is great!
Welcome to the Cove :bigwave: Glad you like it. Just wondering about one thing: You may want another Cove name when you're not a newbie any longer... Just let us know, and we'll change it.

/Claes
 
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Don Palmer

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Boy, am I glad to see this thread with these responses. We had a consultant come in last year to write a quality manual for us because one of our Navy customers required it. It is so full of ISO/government/navy/blah blah language, I don't think our managers would be able to understand it, let alone the field employees. Also, keep in mind that the navy is about 20% of our business, not the majority. So, needless to say I've spent the past 6 months trying to decode the manual (and new QProcedures) into everyday language that coincides with our other SOP's and EH&S policies/procedures already in place. It's been a mind numbing ride!

By the way, yes, I am new to the cove as well as relatively new to Quality/ISO. This site is great!

Hi Newbie, Welcome to the Cove.:bigwave: Wow, your story sounds familiar. My organization got into this about 3 years ago due to a government contract (customer required).:mg:

I worked long distance (2000 miles away) with the consultant my company contracted with. As part of the contract, we were guaranteed a manual system that would pass document review prior to the registration audit, and one (2 day) on-sight visit from the consultant.:bonk: My QMS has serious blah, blah, blah in it. I was directed to go with the flow with the consultant then and I've been told often by the top floor to leave it alone and don't rock the boat.

I would really like to do a rewrite (currently 147 pages of crap) prior to our recertification assessment. That of course could only happen IF we recertify, and I could convince top management why we need to fix the problem. IMO, our manual is the biggest nonconforming issue we are faced with. And top management in my organization doesn't see 'value added' yet. Go figure!

Hang in there, you'll break the code. I have, thanks to all the great advice and experience here at the Cove. For now, I tweak here and there, waiting for opportunity to get it done the right way.
 
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Jen Kirley

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newbie said:
Boy, am I glad to see this thread with these responses. We had a consultant come in last year to write a quality manual for us because one of our Navy customers required it. It is so full of ISO/government/navy/blah blah language, I don't think our managers would be able to understand it, let alone the field employees. Also, keep in mind that the navy is about 20% of our business, not the majority. So, needless to say I've spent the past 6 months trying to decode the manual (and new QProcedures) into everyday language that coincides with our other SOP's and EH&S policies/procedures already in place. It's been a mind numbing ride!

By the way, yes, I am new to the cove as well as relatively new to Quality/ISO. This site is great!
I really regret reading about this matter, because a QA Manual really should not be a Blah Blah Blah Book that doesn't describe what you actually do--none of your people truly understands it, etc. That's the absolute opposite of what such a document should do! Maybe I'm naive, but even for a government contract one should not promulgate such a wad of gibberish.

Welcome, Newbie :bigwave: there are a number of military types here who might help you decode and make that manual your own, but still get the needed job done for contracts.
 
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S. Thompson

Hi All,

This is our 1 page QM. Works for us and our external auditor follows it perfectly well.:magic:
 

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