Records required by TS16949 - I have identified 26, are there more?

Howard Atkins

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This is a list that I have seen a CB use and it requests their auditors to check them

  1. Eng. Spec/Change Implementation Date (4.2.3.1)
  2. Management Reviews (5.6.1)
  3. Education, Training, Skills and Experience (6.2.2 e)
  4. Evidence that realization process and product meet requirements (7.1d)
  5. Requirements Review results (7.2.2)
  6. Manufacturing Feasibility (7.2.2.2)
  7. Design Inputs (7.3.2)
  8. Design Review results (7.3.4)
  9. Design Verification results (7.3.5)
  10. Design Validation Results (7.3.6)
  11. Design Change Reviews (7.3.7)
  12. Supplier Evaluations(7.4.1)
  13. Control Plans (7.5.1.1)
  14. Validation of (Special) Processes (7.5.2 d)
  15. Product Identification (where traceability is required) (7.5.3)
  16. Lost and/or Damaged Customer Property (7.5.4)
  17. Basis for Calibration (where not traceable to standards) (7.6 a)
  18. Calibration results (7.6 )
  19. Validity of Previous Measurements when Equipment found out of Calibration (7.6)
  20. Audit results (8.2.2)
  21. Process change Dates (8.2.3.1)
  22. Evidence of Product Conformity, Acceptance Criteria and Release Authority (8.2.4)
  23. Nature of Nonconformities, Subsequent Actions – including Concession (8.3)
  24. Customer. Waiver Expiration Date (8.3.4)
  25. Results of Corrective Actions (8.5.2 e)
  26. Rejected Part Analysis (8.5.2.4)
  27. Results of Preventive Actions (8.5.3 d)
 

LUV-d-4UM

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Marc,
I was present in one of the TS16949 Internal auditor training conducted by an outside facilitator at one of our sites that is a TIER 1 supplier of bulk fluid to the OEM. The trainer specified clearly that PPAP is not required for bulk suppliers. THis is only mandatory for widgets. Please clarify? Thanks.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
Marc,
I was present in one of the TS16949 Internal auditor training conducted by an outside facilitator at one of our sites that is a TIER 1 supplier of bulk fluid to the OEM. The trainer specified clearly that PPAP is not required for bulk suppliers. THis is only mandatory for widgets. Please clarify? Thanks.

Sorry to inform you, that is absolutely NOT correct information. It would not even make sense in a Product Approval context....the raw material behind all these widgets does not need any sort of approval??? Seriously?

The correct answer is that PPAP has a "Bulk PPAP" option, specifically designed for bulk material manufacturers. It is sort of a PPAP light concept.

Please refer to Appendix F - Bulk PPAP Requirements - in the PPAP manual. I think it is around pg 35 or so.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
Does anyone know if AIAG types have a time of retention for 1018, 1010 cold rolled steel coils etc. and their chemical makeup? We are qs16949 but need a CYA answer for how long a cetificate that corresponds with a heat treat number and ship lot for a coil needs to be stored. we are keeping 1 yr. in drawer and 1 year in archive. Can we ignor GM 3-2006 page 8 requirement of 15 years?:lmao:

Thanks

If GM is your customer, or in your supply chain....how could you "ignore" a GM requirement?
 

LUV-d-4UM

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Thank you for the reply. I was very surprised myself upon hearing her say that Bulk products do not require PPAP. That was music to the client's ears but I thought of walking out in the middle of this training.
 

Marc

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It's been a while, but in the past there was a lot of discussion about bulk products. Part of the discussion included aspects such as CO2 containers, and a place which had a "neighbor" plant near by which supplied continuous gasses by a pipeline to them. How can you PPAP a continuous gas supply?

Just food for thought.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
Don't we PPAP the process?

PPAP = Production Part Approval Process.

As such, you are providing evidence that the process is stable and robust, AND is capable of providing product that is consistently as good as the sample products and data provided with the PPAP submission. If there are any exceptions, those must be listed on the Warrant, specifically authorized as interim approval, and you continue to work with the customer to achieve the results that were required.

To Marc's question in the previous post, a sample of the gas would typically be tested by the customer, the data reviewed, the process controls reviewed and approved...and the Bulk PPAP approved by the customer for this gas produced under these conditions...would then be approved.
 

LUV-d-4UM

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I have received this list
  1. Eng. Spec/Change Implementation Date (4.2.3.1)
  2. Management Reviews (5.6.1)
  3. Education, Training, Skills and Experience (6.2.2 e)
  4. Evidence that realization process and product meet requirements (7.1d)
  5. Requirements Review results (7.2.2)
  6. Manufacturing Feasibility (7.2.2.2)
  7. Design Inputs (7.3.2)
  8. Design Review results (7.3.4)
  9. Design Verification results (7.3.5)
  10. Design Validation Results (7.3.6)
  11. Design Change Reviews (7.3.7)
  12. Supplier Evaluations(7.4.1)
  13. Control Plans (7.5.1.1)
  14. Validation of (Special) Processes (7.5.2 d)
  15. Product Identification (where traceability is required) (7.5.3)
  16. Lost and/or Damaged Customer Property (7.5.4)
  17. Basis for Calibration (where not traceable to standards) (7.6 a)
  18. Calibration results (7.6 )
  19. Validity of Previous Measurements when Equipment found out of Calibration (7.6)
  20. Audit results (8.2.2)
  21. Process change Dates (8.2.3.1)
  22. Evidence of Product Conformity, Acceptance Criteria and Release Authority (8.2.4)
  23. Nature of Nonconformities, Subsequent Actions ? including Concession (8.3)
  24. Customer. Waiver Expiration Date (8.3.4)
  25. Results of Corrective Actions (8.5.2 e)
  26. Rejected Part Analysis (8.5.2.4)
  27. Results of Preventive Actions (8.5.3 d)
as part of a TS READINESS REVIEW CHECKLIST from a CB

How about 8.2.1.1 Customer Satisfaction or Supplier Score cards? We have to show records of those during the audit. Thanks for this extensive list.
 

LUV-d-4UM

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PPAP = Production Part Approval Process.

As such, you are providing evidence that the process is stable and robust, AND is capable of providing product that is consistently as good as the sample products and data provided with the PPAP submission. If there are any exceptions, those must be listed on the Warrant, specifically authorized as interim approval, and you continue to work with the customer to achieve the results that were required.

To Marc's question in the previous post, a sample of the gas would typically be tested by the customer, the data reviewed, the process controls reviewed and approved...and the Bulk PPAP approved by the customer for this gas produced under these conditions...would then be approved.

Thank you for your generous feedback.
 
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