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ASQ has lost their way. ASQC used to be the leader in promoting the latest advances in quality. ASQ is always behind the curve trying to monetize everything.

Late to the party here, with all the negative implications listed here, its sad to see that a lot of companies still look highly on people with the certifications when hiring.

imecoli said:

Late to the party here, with all the negative implications listed here, its sad to see that a lot of companies still look highly on people with the certifications when hiring.

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You're right. We had a forum called The Fearless Workplace where we tried to promote the importance of creating the right culture and mindset in order for certifications to be meaningful. Certifications do not replace thinking.

normhowe said:

Certifications do not replace thinking.

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For the most part what I see on a continuing basis is that certifications are best at replacing cash in the hand of the holder.

normhowe said:

Certifications do not replace thinking.

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I have had many experiences with CQEs that were very poor quality engineers in practice. They were just good at memorization.

Miner said:

I have had many experiences with CQEs that were very poor quality engineers in practice. They were just good at memorization.

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My interactions have been mixed. The less-than-positive interactions have been with people who treat the certification as some sort of 'notch'; I have had positive interactions with people who are comfortable with, and use the knowledge represented in, the (various) Bodies-of-Knowledge (BoK). Certification isn't supposed to be some sort of get-out-of-thinking certificate; to me it is little more than some objective evidence that once-upon-a-time, a neutral third-party thought the holder was able to demonstrate some arbitrary level of mastery.

As @Miner implied: I have some number of very discouraging interactions with people who should really have known better, at least per the certifications to specific BoK. I used to tell students: "You are here to learn something(s), but even if you end up forgetting any details (or facts!)... I want you to remember that at one time you did learn those things and are capable of re-learning them... either by consulting the materials, talking with me, or conferring with a former classmate."