Choosing a Registrar - Registrars That "Do It All"

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Angela-2007

My Bad!:bonk: I wasn't aware that they were the fastest growing registrar. Pretty sad that so many fall into the trap:( I don't have an answer for that Mike it either says that there are quite a few quality people who don't pay attentin (scary
) or that don't care:eek: Which seems worse to you? I've never met with one of their reps and never will. I've been doing this for seven years (more than some less than others) and I've always known about them. Guess I took it for granted that others did to. Shame on me, in the quality business, never take common sense for granted.:bonk:
 
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Aaron Lupo

I would also not recommend that anyone use TUV Product Services/Management Services, especially if you have any major customers that also contract with them. If you ever decide to leave them, they will make your life ****. The product Manager is a very petty person. I have probably said too much but oh well……. JMHO
 
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energy

What a slam?

Angela said:

I don't have an answer for that Mike it either says that there are quite a few quality people who don't pay attention (scary) or that don't care:eek: Which seems worse to you?

Angela,

Ever play Whack-a-Mole? :biglaugh:

Well, Mike, which one seems worse to you?:biglaugh: You go, Angela! Take no prisoners! Oh, I just fell out of my chair. :vfunny: Later, Y'all.
:ko: :smokin:
 
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Angela-2007

Energy, I have to say that you have a way of bringing a BIG smile to my face! Your replies are always so colorful!

Thank you
 

Mike S.

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Gotcha again

Energy,

That's twice! I'm gonna start calling you the "Post Doctor". But, if you're gonna do it, at least look at punctuation, too!:vfunny:
 

Sidney Vianna

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Are we having TOO much fun?

Angela, I think you are being naïve to think that we will see a crackdown and resulting cleansing of Registrars in 2003. At least, the last 10 years show ZERO, in terms of Registrars losing their accreditation. I don't know why we would see a change, next year.

In response to Jim, I believe that many people DO care. The reason we don't see a crackdown on malpractice is because there is too much burden, placed on the accusers to present evidence that is not easy to collect. For example, the case depicted in this thread of a Registrar writing majors in one day, just to be followed by a coincidental call from a related body, the next morning, offering to "help". How do you prove the connection? You need a sting operation a la "60 minutes". Also, the threat of costly law suits makes honest people think many times, before coming forward with evidence.

The same way the public backlash in the stock market is partially linked with the perceived failure for the market to police itself and the Security and Exchange Commission to act more harshly on the accounting firms that failed to develop more robust conflict of interest policies, we will see (more clearly) that the marketplace will place less and less confidence on third-party certificates unless transparency and integrity become prevalent. The fact that many organizations are undeservedly attaining and/or maintaining certification, by being either accomplices or victims of cozy, incestuous registrar/consultant relationships is eroding confidence in the value of the certificates, and the process, as a whole. This is the downward spiral I have been warning since 1994.

As the system stands now, only the Accreditation Agencies have the charter and authority to police this market and punish the violators. The fact that we have not seem more action there is concerning, in my opinion. I fully understand that they need factual evidence to dis-accredit anyone, and I even have ideas on how to get it, but it is imperative that the resolve and guts to disapprove chronic wrong-doers exists.

Sometimes I wonder if there might be a fundamental flaw in this accredited third-party certification process. The Accreditation Bodies (ABs) have to fund their own activities. They cover their expenses by charging fees and a percentage for each certificate, issued under their "oversight", to each accredited registrar. So, some people might think that the ABs would benefit from a large number of registrars and certificates, in order to keep their revenues steady and sufficient. Some might even think that the ABs would have little interest in disapproving registrars because that would mean loss of revenue for them. Others might think that we are killing the golden goose by not policing it to the extent we should . . . After all, when no one places confidence on "ISO 9000" certificates, AB's, registrars, consultants, even this Forum will be meaningless . . . .
 

Mike S.

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Re: Are we having TOO much fun?

Sidney Vianna said:

After all, when no one places confidence on "ISO 9000" certificates, AB's, registrars, consultants, even this Forum will be meaningless . . . .
Sidney,

You make some good points, but I disagree with this last part. This forum will not die if certification comes to an end, IMO, at least I would hope not. People will still need advice on how to set-up a good QMS and will have other quality-related questions, regardless.

But a "60 Minutes" expose' would be fun to watch, I imagine!
:vfunny: Anyone have inside access to Mike Wallace?
 
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Angela-2007

Opinionated maybe! Naive never! But I will give you prop's on the effort you put in that response.

Energy! Do you think that someone forgot to put the sugar in there wheaties??
 
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energy

Wheaties?

Angela said:

Opinionated maybe! Naive never! But I will give you prop's on the effort you put in that response.

Energy! Do you think that someone forgot to put the sugar in their wheaties??

Angela,

Why, whatever do you mean? :vfunny: I will assume that it is in response to Sidney's last post. Unlike us windbags, Sidney doesn't post as much. But when he does, they are packed with good information. I still think he has been to Law School. :p "Nothing personal, just the facts, Maam". Anyway, the facts are as he sees them. The size of the post has very little to do with the responses anyone gets here, no matter what they say. You appear to be able to hang with the Cove Crew very well. Keep it up. ;) :ko: :smokin:
 

Sidney Vianna

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I never been called that!

Energy, twice now you have called me a lawyer!:eek:

Man, you really know how to HURT people, but let's keep punches above the waist line, please :vfunny: ;)
 
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