Choosing a Registrar - Registrars That "Do It All"

Sidney Vianna · Apr 8, 2004

The Accreditation Bodies do POST the information in their website.

Concerning TRANSPARENCY in the whole process, it will not happen if the users of the certificates never demand it.

I keep saying: we need accountability and transparency for this whole process to be sustainable and value-added.

Hershal · Apr 9, 2004

Outstanding comment!

Hershal

Al Dyer · May 19, 2004

I read alot and somehow I think it is still a "closed community" with people that want/or need to know not having easy access to the relevent information.

For 2 years I was receiving weekly faxes from a registrar and then they quit. In the meantime I changed computers/phones and have recently started to receive the same "promotional" faxes.

Kind of funny, a consultant that wants to help me register, even though I consult also. Although I do not offer registration services they just love to get in touch with me.

No, not PJ

Al...

jaimezepeda · May 21, 2004

Guaranteed registration by registrar of my choice

Last week our organization's president handed me a FAX he received. The first sentece claimed:
"We offer Businesses a complete TurnKey (On-Site) ISO Quality System that we guarantee will lead to a successful Audit and ISO Registration by the Registrar of your choice."

Thankfully, he did not take the FAX too seriously as I am still employed instead of this consulting service that offers such a wonderful deal. Afer all, the FAX claimed they could do it in under 45 days. I have been at my job for 1 year.

Nevertheless, I find it hard for any consultant to "guarantee" registration with any registrar. I can understand guaranteed compliance. I cannot understand guaranteed registration.

Jaime E. Zepeda

Al Dyer · May 21, 2004

I read that they did not give a "time frame" for registration, just they will be there. Beware!!

Al...

Sam · May 21, 2004

jaimezepeda said:
Last week our organization's president handed me a FAX he received. The first sentece claimed:
"We offer Businesses a complete TurnKey (On-Site) ISO Quality System that we guarantee will lead to a successful Audit and ISO Registration by the Registrar of your choice."

Thankfully, he did not take the FAX too seriously as I am still employed instead of this consulting service that offers such a wonderful deal. Afer all, the FAX claimed they could do it in under 45 days. I have been at my job for 1 year.

Nevertheless, I find it hard for any consultant to "guarantee" registration with any registrar. I can understand guaranteed compliance. I cannot understand guaranteed registration.

Jaime E. Zepeda

1- "guarantee will lead to a successful Audit". Not surprising. I believe most audits are successful.

2- "ISO Registration by the Registrar of your choice." Not surprising either. To achieve registration all you need to do is respond favorabley to the auditors' NCR's. Of course if they are majors, then a re-visit is required. But then again the consultant doesn't guarantee "no majors".

3- "do it in under 45 days." But they don't guarantee it.

Marc · May 21, 2004

jaimezepeda said:
Last week our organization's president handed me a FAX he received....

The first tipoff should be that it's probably a Junk FAX - Outlawed in my neck of the woods I believe - or nationally or something.

To me a Junk FAX is like receiving an e-mail promoting a 'natural male enhancer'. Circular file.

As my Pappy used to say, and everyone hear has heard many, many times:

"If it seems too good to be true, it probably isn't true."

Boingo-boingo · Oct 9, 2008

John Swartz said:
We have been registered to ISO/QS-TE since October 2000. The QMS is audited semi-annually. So far I have had 4 different auditors performing the audits.

The first five audits went as expected, a couple of minors each time.

The closing meeting for the most recent audit was last night. It was a 'witness audit' - RAB auditor auditing the auditor. We came away with 2 majors and 12 minors. I am still shaking in the aftermath.

From all appearances, it was a witch hunt. The registrar in question has been discussed previously (I don't want to be held libel - seriously, I don't).

Some of the minors were legit, a contract review was not completed satisfactorily, and a piece of material in the shop wasn't tagged adequately. But both majors were written on 4.1 and 4.2!!! Complete breakdown of the system!

I am just beside myself right now...chuck the whole ISO/QS system...turn in my stack of NCRs...head into the mountains and become the 21st century version of Jeremiah Johnson.

Fortunately, my company is standing beside me, very supportive people. When my BP drops below 200/150 I'll begin drafting a customer satisfaction survey to our registrar and cc: RAB

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Creme de la creme....guess who just called offering consultation services? And it's not even 9:00 in the morning here!

What a racket these guys are in...self-perpetuating business...they're paid to create the problems and paid to fix the problems they have created.

John Swartz said:
I think it was just a coincidence...I hope it was coincidence...

I can't believe a registrar/consultant would be obvious. Or am I being naive?

You were being VERY naive.....

Stijloor · Oct 9, 2008

Boingo-boingo said:
You were being VERY naive.....

I don't know if John is still around here...

His post was from 6 November 2002....

Stijloor.

Boingo-boingo · Oct 10, 2008

Stijloor said:
His post was from 6 November 2002....

I know. That is why I said he WAS being naive. But are we naive to think that these shady practices of being written up one day for ineffective internal audits, and receiving an unsolicited call the next day for a course on effective internal audits are no longer happening?

Many auditors also offer consulting work. While some are stupid to a point of blatant conflict of interest, such as giving two business cards away, one as the auditor and one as a consultant, others are more subtle. They write up a company and tell another friendly consultant that company needs help. Next week, the friend returns the favor. Nobody is policing that. If people like John does not voice such concerns, nobody talks about it.

Choosing a Registrar - Registrars That "Do It All"

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Hershal

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