Boeing 737 Max 9: Here we go again

I think many of United's problems were mostly caused by Untied or bad luck. Boeing may be responsible for one incident with the stuck rudder on a 737 Max. At least one incident was an Airbus. An engine fire is reportedly because the engine ingested bubble wrap. The others are for older Boeing designs with no reports I have seen saying the plane either had just rolled off the assembly line or that a spare part provided by Boeing and recently installed had failed.

Looking at the headlines in website below, it also looks like incidents are getting more widespread attention.
Air safety incidents for United

here is an excellent site that posts incidents, accidents etc, using ADS-B data and others...

outdoorsNW said:

I think many of United's problems were mostly caused by Untied or bad luck. Boeing may be responsible for one incident with the stuck rudder on a 737 Max. At least one incident was an Airbus. An engine fire is reportedly because the engine ingested bubble wrap. The others are for older Boeing designs with no reports I have seen saying the plane either had just rolled off the assembly line or that a spare part provided by Boeing and recently installed had failed.

Looking at the headlines in website below, it also looks like incidents are getting more widespread attention.
Air safety incidents for United

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Are you referring to the stuck rudder (rudder hardover) that was 30 years ago (1994)? It was also a relatively rare failure and not something as obvious and stupid as the blown out door plug or the software problem a couple of years ago with the Max MCAS software.

The other incidents are (1) not confirmed as to immediate cause so opinion and speculation are only inflammatory and (2) yes there is always over reporting in the main stream media when this type of thing occurs. none the less Boeing is in some serious trouble and rightly so - and they have admitted it.

Bev, just in the last few weeks United is reported to have had a stuck rudder incident on a 737 Max. It happened on landing and the pilots were able to keep the plane under control.

This makes for interesting viewing/listening:

Wow, thank you Chris.

I've got to say a very personal BS to not being able to locate documents....BS-BS-BS!

If I were to change a tail light bulb on a Cessna 150 and the wings were to fall off, as an A&P the documentation of what I did better be available or I could be in prison so fast it would set a record within the judicial system.

I know that almost without a doubt that documentation of aircraft work I did 35 years ago as a mechanic is in a traceable file somewhere if it were needed.

A Clydesdale can't poop a pile of crap this big!

I'm going to venture that I'm probably the only professional aircraft mechanic in this group, if I'm wrong I apologize for that and you know where I'm coming from. Whether work is done by an FBO, a licensed repair facility or whatever/whoever, there is always, always a way to trace the work, when it was done, and who did it if it was done legal and above board in accordance with US FAA regulations, EASA, TC, CAA and/or many others.

This is getting to the point that it's both laughable and sad at the same time.

Oh yeah, if you want to verify me, this is the link to use, I'm in the database along with my most recent license update.

So who's flying cover for Boeing that their top dog isn't in front of Congress like today? Seems like all Boeing understands is dollars and possibly management in jail, so let's get that on the table.

Randy said:

If I were to change a tail light bulb on a Cessna 150 and the wings were to fall off, as an A&P the documentation of what I did better be available or I could be in prison so fast it would set a record within the judicial system.

I know that almost without a doubt that documentation of aircraft work I did 35 years ago as a mechanic is in a traceable file somewhere if it were needed.

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At one point I had the dubious honor of having made the most number of documented mistakes/corrections at a (non-aviation) manufacturer. This was a cultural problem more than anything else.

Tidge said:

At one point I had the dubious honor of having made the most number of documented mistakes/corrections at a (non-aviation) manufacturer. This was a cultural problem more than anything else.

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My move to quality here was on a partial basis that id f'd up that may things over the past 25 years I knew how to fix more than most knew how to do. If its a documented mistake its not a problem in my eyes as it should have a correction with it so its all good to go. Its the sneaky ones where no one knew about it until it failed like with boeing where the problems lie.

outdoorsNW said:

Bev, just in the last few weeks United is reported to have had a stuck rudder incident on a 737 Max. It happened on landing and the pilots were able to keep the plane under control.

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Thanks for the correction outdoorsNW. My real concern here is that the NTSB & FAA too often perform very shallow investigations often siding with the plane manufacturer’s narrative that things are the pilot’s fault. (As they did with the Hardover case - “the pilots just panicked”)