Internal or a lead auditor course?

Sidney Vianna

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I think you should review the most recent ISO 19011 standard for auditing. It was part of the Lead Auditor course I took in 2017.
Yep. That should help.

In my experience teaching lead auditor courses, one of the biggest challenges for the attendees is to switch their mindset to an auditor role. Many times people still think scenarios and requirements through the prism of someone implementing the standard, not auditing to it. For some people the switch is not easy.
 

TPMB4

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Don't do anything special. I found that the folks who studied and were mentored and got psych'd all up didn't fare as well as those that came in cold not "knowing it all". But then again I only taught about 200 or so of the things so what would I know?
OK, suits me. I'll carry on doing my job and auditing then wing it.

It's an online course with 30 days after the taught part of it to do the online exam I think I read online. That's the one that's open to general public. Ours is for people in our company only so perhaps the exam is different.

I do need to refresh my 9001 knowledge though. It annoyed me the way two colleagues could remember the clause for situations without referring to the standard but I couldn't. Most couldn't but I guess I'm competitive!
 

Randy

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I do need to refresh my 9001 knowledge though. It annoyed me the way two colleagues could remember the clause for situations without referring to the standard but I couldn't. Most couldn't but I guess I'm competitive!
If you can't get past auditing by clause you've lost the race in the 1st lap.....Especially on internal audits.

However, like a few others here, I've been doing this quite awhile and still need to refer once in awhile. I wouldn't give :2cents: for someone who didn't use the standard.
 

TPMB4

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TBH I don't think I audit to clauses, certainly not tick boxing. I refer to the relevant clause, which in our company could be 9001 or another since there are customer contracted standards to be used plus a few company or stakeholder selected ones. For example risk might be iso 31000 or AQAP 2070 or perhaps something else.

I believe I only use the standards as a guide but then I've learnt auditing mostly from doing it and what I've learnt from here and other recommended sources (often recommended on here). I'm not sure exactly what is meant by auditing by clause.

I've got my copies of ISO 9001 in a few places for referral. A5 copy in my filofax (yes I'm afraid I do analogue as well as digital), A4 in my home office and pdf copies on various devices. There's no way round referring to them when needed.

The memory thing is just to shortcut. Example, team discussing a matter and someone points a colleague to check the standard, it's handy to be able to direct straight to the right clause from memory. That won't stop you referring back to a copy when needed. Also, I think knowing the standard doesn't mean understanding it or applying it.
 
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