New law Wage Transparency SB 1162

Sam.F

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Industrial Revolution Working Conditions: What Were They Like? - History

Examples of Industrial Revolution Working Conditions
Due to a high unemployment rate, workers were very easily replaceable and had no bargaining power with employers. There was an increase in population and landowners enclosed common village lands, forcing people from the country to go find work.
Wages were very low, women and children received less than half the wages of men and had to work the same amount of time.
There were no unions that could represent workers and the Combination Acts outlawed unionizing or protesting for better Industrial Revolution working condition
Most people worked between 12 and 16 hours per day, six days a week, without any paid holidays or vacation.
Safety hazards were everywhere, machines didn’t have any safety covers or fences and children as young as 5 years old were operating them. Iron workers worked in temperatures of 130 degrees and higher every day. Accidents on the job happened regularly.
In typical industrial revolution working conditions. people did not have many break times, there was usually only one hour-long break per day
Factories were dusty, dirty and dark – the only light source was sunlight that came in through a few windows. Because the machines ran on steam from fires, there was smoke everywhere. Many people ended up with eye problems and lung diseases.
Small children had to work in coal mines without candles (if the family was too poor to buy candles) and were beaten by miners if they fell asleep. Young girls had to pull sledges or carts with coal all day long, deforming their pelvic bones and causing a lot of deaths during childbirth.
Children did not get any sunlight, physical activity (apart from work) or education, which led to deformities and a shorter than average length.
Should someone get injured on the job and be unable to work, they would be abandoned, wages would be stopped immediately and no medical attendance would be given to them. Injured workers usually lost their jobs and did not get any compensation.
Unlike the country life they were used to, work in a factory was fast-paced and focused on production. No chit chat was allowed and those who still had family in rural areas could not head home to help with the harvest if they wanted to keep their jobs. So, to describe the industrial revolution working conditions as less than ideal would be a malicious understatement.

Why and how have these conditions changed? Keeping the workforce in the dark?




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Johnny Quality

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So if 10 engineers are making different amounts of money, what does it need to be done? Pay all of them the highest paid salary from the the engineers. Or pay them the lowest?

Sam.F,

There are be many genuine and acceptable reasons why a group of "engineers" may make different amounts of money, aside from the fact that not all engineering jobs are equal. Some may work more or less hours, at antisocial hours, weekends, requirement to be on call. Some might be better negotiators for their own salary, did "better" at the interview stage. Even people of the same title may have different responsibilities.
 

Steve Prevette

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I support it. In the military, you could basically look at a person's uniform (rank, rate, hashmarks, warfare insignia) and figure out their pay from the Navy Times tables.
 

Zero_yield

"You can observe a lot by just watching."
I've worked for companies before where it was grounds for termination if anyone discussed their wages/salaries with any of their coworkers. It's ingrained in me to NOT discuss my salary/wage with anyone in the workplace (and very, very few of my inner circle of family/friends!). My dad never discussed his earnings with the family or anyone else to my knowledge, so maybe that's where it started for me. At any rate, I agree with @Mike S on all points. :agree:

Note that discussing your wage (in the US) is a federally protected right. If anyone threatens you or especially fires you for discussing your wage, get it in writing and go to an attorney immediately.

Most people don't know this because most employers in the US threaten to fire / punish people for talking about their wage. Employers keep people from talking about their wages so they can pay the majority of their employees the lowest amount possible (and occasionally, their favorites more than everyone else).
 

Johnnymo62

Haste Makes Waste
I like to be able to bargain for my salary based on my skills and experience. This is important because I don't stay with a company very long. The raises are not regular and very minimal. My last five jobs would not give more than a1.9% raise and wouldn't bargain with me. If I want to make more money, I have to find a better paying job.
 

Ed Panek

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Im on the fence but...

Why shouldnt employees and job postings list the salary?

provide an answer that doesnt prevent companies from paying each employee fairly.


I was in the military where pay was completely transparent including housing allowances.
 

Michael_M

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If a company has to post what everyone makes, it will eventually (yes, arguing the slippery slope here) make all companies pay everyone the same just to keep from the legal battles that will ensue. Additionally, if an individual works hard, is diligent in their work, makes few mistakes, and overall saves the company money, they will be paid the same amount as the under performer who is showing up just to get a pay check. This will affect the overall culture of a company and retrain the diligent worker to 'just do the minimum' (yes, I believe the carrot is a better motivator then the stick).
 

Mike S.

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Comparing wage transparency in the private sector today with industrial revolution working conditions is a ridiculous red herring, IMO.

The military and government pay transparency is different because TAXPAYER money is being used. I'm talking private business.

If you don't like what your employer is paying you, and you cannot get them to "see the light" and pay you what you think you deserve, do something about it instead of whining for the government to bail you out somehow. Get another job! If you truly are worth more money, someone will pay you that more money! If they don't, maybe you have an overinflated self-worth. My God, the job market is and has been exceedingly hot for a long time.

I get so frustrated at the many people in this world who constantly natter on about "it's not fair" and want the government to intercede and fix all the ills in the world, often stomping on others' rights in doing so if it will make them look good to the constituency du jour! Well hello, by our typical human perspective LIFE IS NOT FAIR AND NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE!

Tiger Woods and Justin Verlander and Michael Jordan were all born with physical talents and good looks that I cannot approach in my wildest dreams. It's not fair! I want the government to take money from them and give it to me, and while they're at it, I want them to force beautiful women to pretend I'm just as handsome as they are!

But some people look at me and say I'm so lucky because I have the talents that God gave me that they don't and I make more than they do, have more than they do, etc.

For all its faults the USA is still the greatest country on Earth and it still offers huge and abundant opportunities for anyone willing to put in the effort to achieve. That's why very very few (despite clebrity threats) almost no one leaves but many millions or billions want in.
 

Miner

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I think there would need to be two categories. In one category would be jobs that are entirely standard work where the outcomes do not depend on the talent of the employee. This category should have standard wages/salaries based on the type/difficulty of work that are entirely transparent. The second category would be jobs where the outcomes are highly dependent on the talents/skills of the employee. This category should have salaries that reflect the relative skill of the employee. I have mixed feelings about the transparency of these.
 
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