ISO 9001 News ISO 9001:2025 - What should be changed in the next Edition of ISO 9001? - REVISION PROCEEDING- August 2023

Bev D said:

an reminded of a quote by Einstein: You cannot fix something with the same level of thinking that created the problem…

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That’s what I alluded to in the post @ ISO 9001 News - Tirelessly Improving the Brand Integrity of ISO 9001 - Working Group under ISO TC 176.

The utter and shameful failure of the ISO 9001 Brand Integrity Group is just one more indication of the disarray. 9001, ISO’s blockbuster standard, responsible for introducing ISO to most of the world, leaving its obscure existence in a Swiss canton, is a conundrum. Responsible for a significant revenue generation for ISO and many other stakeholders it can’t be left alone as a stable standard does not generate additional income in new sales, training, consulting, books, articles, etc. Committee members become agents of a political and financial strategy, rather than a strict technical role. And narratives are spun to justify new polling after voting members voice their opinion. Of course, the proper cool aid is passed around among the volunteers that populate the national mirror committees so they think a revision makes sense and they can contribute to it.

If we exclude de more than 500.000 certificates in China, the number of registered organizations is decreasing every year.
It's the "market" working on the versions of 9001...

Antonio Vieira said:

If we exclude de more than 500.000 certificates in China, the number of registered organizations is decreasing every year.
It's the "market" working on the versions of 9001...

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In addition to that, Antonio, the mere existence of an ISO 9001 Brand Integrity Group (object of a specific thread) is undisputed proof of the recognition of a sizable problem. Ironically, this group has been operating in complete opaqueness for several years without any public participation and or meaningful input. It typifies the mind set displayed by committees who think a few “designated” minds are able to solve a problem they themselves perpetuate. PDCA anyone?

Sidney Vianna said:

It typifies the mind set displayed by committees who think a few “designated” minds are able to solve a problem they themselves perpetuate.

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A cow designed by a committee..

The ISO TC 176/SC2/WG29 - Revision of ISO 9001 committee started with the update of ISO 9001, whose objective is to ensure that the revised standard addresses current and future needs and to facilitate its understanding and application to users.
The ISO TC 176/SC2/WG29 - Revision of ISO 9001 committee started with the update of ISO 9001, whose objective is to ensure that the revised standard addresses current and future needs and to facilitate its understanding and application to users. The update will be a 2-year process, which will review the validity and applicability of current requirements, the impact of emerging trends such as technologies, alignment with the harmonized structure, requests for interpretation of the requirements that have been received, alignment with ISO/TC 176/SC1/WG2- Revision of ISO 9000: 2015, which also began with the update of ISO 9000, among others.

From December 4 to 8, 2023 more than 81 experts representing more than 46 countries and liaisons, and different stakeholders met in London and virtually to start with the review and evaluation of the inputs that have been identified to update ISO 9001.

An output of the meeting was a Working Draft (WD) that was circulated to WG29 members on Friday, 15th December 2023 with a deadline of 20th January 2024 for comments. These comments will be discussed at the next WG29 meeting which will be held virtually between 19th and 23rd February 2024 and where the group will continue to work on the development of the working draft into the committee draft that will serve as the basis for discussion in the national standardization committees.

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We can only hope they minimize the damage....

Good opinion about this new idea of introducing a climate change requirement on a Quality Standard...

Antonio Vieira said:

What Does ISO 9001 Have to Do With Climate Change?

Superficially, ISO 9001 and climate change sound different: ISO 9001 is about how to do things well so your organization satisfies its customers; climate change is about physical and chemical interactions in the atmosphere, and the consequences for our lives in the f

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Good opinion about this new idea of introducing a climate change requirement on a Quality Standard...

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Indeed - ie don't do it!

As the amended ISO 9001 is set for release any time now, it becomes very clear that the decision to amend it totally bypassed the voting process and was mandated from the top. Apparently the amendment invoking the climate change aspect will take effect on all Management System Standards following the Harmonized Structure. So, it will not apply to 13485. Can’t wait until they realize we can fix wealth distribution inequity and world hunger by adding a few words in to an international standard. Future generations will question us why it took so long for us to see the light.

Sidney Vianna said:

As the amended ISO 9001 is set for release any time now, it becomes very clear that the decision to amend it totally bypassed the voting process and was mandated from the top. Apparently the amendment invoking the climate change aspect will take effect on all Management System Standards following the Harmonized Structure. So, it will not apply to 13485. Can’t wait until they realize we can fix wealth distribution inequity and world hunger by adding a few words in to an international standard. Future generations will question us why it took so long for us to see the light.

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Don't forget child labour, equal pay and lack of democracy - ISO is well placed to advise on that one.