Initial Impressions of Newly Released IATF 16949 Standard

Johnnymo62 said:

I haven't read it yet, but I noticed some IATF16949 clauses are blank and refer to ISO9001:2015. Does that mean we need to be ISO9001:2015 certified now?

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Our registrar received 'clarification' yesterday that the IATF is allowing an IATF 16949 certificate to be issued without the presence of an ISO 9001 certificate.

I'm not a fan of having two separate documents and I'm toying with the idea of creating an internal document of auditable clauses that combines the two similar to the way it used to be. Just makes for a lot more work for the convenience though....

I've attached a spreadsheet I've used for several years with several standards, see legend at bottom. I have not updated it since 2014 so you would need to address ISO:2015 as well as TS16949 BUT it's a whole lot better than starting over. Use as needed or don't.

ISO9001:2015 Is a separate standard and it is a part of the certification process of IATF 16949:2016. You cannot be Certified to IATF without the 9001:2015. When you get the IATF in theory you can ask for both certificates.

Getting IATF Certified will not by default be entitled for ISO 9001 certificate. You need to add it in the scope of audit. Your procedures should refer to the ISO 9001 clause, and the auditor (CB) need to take separate samples related to Non automotive (if you have). This is based on my little knowledge

Notice that Preventive Action is mandatory where it is removed from ISO9001:2015

Where Quality Manual is not required in ISO9001:2015 it is a required document in IATF16949.

Standard clarifies the old ISO ( the word "containment" is in Corrective action whereas it was not found in the old ISO) and other implied requirements are now clarified.

They go together. Your certification might be IATF16949 (or ISO/TS16949) but it includes both standards because they compliment each other. ISO is general industry and you add the IATF/TS to it to make it automotive specific. Only one certification.

My interpretation is you have to be compliant to 9001:2015 but do not need separate certification. I have 'assumed' (dangerous to do I know) that any audit will be based on 9001:2015 then the additional requirement of 16949 added to each clause, it does mean that auditor will be checking requirements from 2 standards.

It certainly means if you are 16949 only (as I am) you now need buy both standards.
Dave

Dave Cx said:

My interpretation is you have to be compliant to 9001:2015 but do not need separate certification. I have 'assumed' (dangerous to do I know) that any audit will be based on 9001:2015 then the additional requirement of 16949 added to each clause, it does mean that auditor will be checking requirements from 2 standards.

It certainly means if you are 16949 only (as I am) you now need buy both standards.
Dave

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Yep. Big money grab and time waster. Having both standards incorporated into one book would only make sense. Welcome to TS - totally stupid.

We have always had the option of having two certifications and ISO and a TS. We stuck with TS only, the ISO was extra money/time and my TS customers where the ones pushing. The biggest difference at audit time was that the TS audit wouldn't look at any processes/parts that where not associated with automotive. Also the reality is that the TS auditors are now spending most of their time on the automotive aspects and the customer specific requirement aspects of the standard. In other words, if TS didn't supplement the ISO clause it was probably not looked at audit time. YMMV.

I hope my Medical and other non-automotive customers will accept IATF. I have my doubts.

Johnnymo62 said:

I hope my Medical and other non-automotive customers will accept IATF. I have my doubts.

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It depends upon what they know and don't know. We never had any issues providing our "ISO" certificate to the TS standard to normal commercial customers. Nobody ever questioned it and we basically applied TS company wide, except for some automotive only specific requirements. My guess is your medical customers may want something more geared toward medical. Good luck.