Interesting Discussion ISO to develop a Guidance Document (ISO 26000) on Social Responsibility - some object

Sidney Vianna

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Yes, just the ISO standards that attempt to bring about social change without engaging an electorate.
I am curious, then. I went to the website you listed in your public profile. And there, you have a link: Corporate Social Responsibility. Accessing the link, it brings me to a large selection of books, available for purchase, around the theme of social responsibility. Which confuses me. If you are promoting the sales of such books, I will assume you are for "social responsibility". But you are against an international guidance document on the subject.
Why any of the authors who wrote any of the books available for purchase in your website should be endorsed and an ISO document should be rejected puzzles me.
 

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Do you intend to object to all of their documents or just this one?

Yes, just the ISO standards that attempt to bring about social change without engaging an electorate.

So did Fidel Castro and Che Guevara

I have heard people grouse about ISO, but never compare them to those guys.
Nice one, Randy! Interesting correlation...
 

Sidney Vianna

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Nice one, Randy! Interesting correlation...
It might be interesting, but totally inappropriate. To start with, ISO did engage with the stakeholders prior to a decision to proceed with such document, and, after a decision was made to proceed with the development of such guidance, numerous stakeholders have been invited to participate, the ILO being one of them. The process started in 2004 and, by the time we see the first version of ISO 26000, it will probably be 2010. Over 6 years of debate, deliberation and discussion. No other ISO standard has seen so much work, prior to release. So, to infer that the stakeholders have not been engaged is just totally inaccurate.

Futhermore, once released, the guidance document will be available for voluntary adoption. There will be no ISO mandate (ISO has no authority over implementation policies) to adopt it. Certification to the standard is not expected, as explained several times, here.

There is no ISO 26000 dictatorship. There is no ISO 26000 revolution.
There is no ISO 26000 liberation from oppression.
 
Re: ISO to develop a Guidance Document on Corporate Social Responsibility - some obje

Hi,

The ISO effort is laudable; there are many definitions of Corporate Social Responsibility; at least ISO helps us to have a uniform understanding of the term through this document.

This document is about CORPORATE Social Responsibility; i.e. it is meant for Corporates. Where is the question of application of this to countries/nations ? Any attempt to apply this guidance standard to countries is like asking countries to get ISO-9000 or ISO-14001 or OHSAS 18001 certified!

I always wait eagerly for Sidney's updates on the subject.

Wishing you all a Happy New Year 2009,

L. Ramakrishnan
 

Sidney Vianna

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Most people who have objected to the development of ISO 26000, very likely, have not even read the draft documents. Otherwise, they would not have said what they did.

Please note that one of the early changes to ISO 26000 was the removal of the word "corporate", in front of social responsibility. This was deliberately done to broaden the scope of coverage to also include governmental entities.

This International Standard provides guidance on the underlying principles of social responsibility, the core subjects and issues pertaining to social responsibility (see Table 2) and on ways to integrate socially responsible behaviour into existing organizational strategies, systems, practices and processes (see Figure 1). This International Standard emphasizes the importance of results and improvements in performance.
This International Standard is intended to be useful to all types of organizations, whether large or small, and whether operating in the developed or developing world. While not all parts of this International Standard will be of equal use to all types of organizations, all core subjects are relevant to every organization. It is the individual organization's responsibility to identify what is relevant and significant for the organization to address, through its own considerations and through dialogue with stakeholders.
Governmental organizations may wish to use this International Standard. However, it is not intended to replace, alter or in any way change the obligations of the state.
This International Standard is for voluntary use and is not intended or appropriate for certification purposes or regulatory or contractual use. It is not intended to create a non-tariff barrier to trade, nor is it intended to alter an organization’s legal obligations. Further, it is not intended to provide a proper basis for legal actions, complaints, defences or other claims in any international, domestic, or other proceedings, nor is it intended to be cited as evidence of the evolution of customary international law.
Below, a few FAQ's concerning ISO 26000.


Frequenty Asked Questions
Listed below are some of the most frequently asked questions about SR. You'll find more under "About ISO SR" and "Organizational Structure". Local SR perspectives are best covered by your national Standardisation Organisation listed under "Contact".
These FAQs have been prepared in co-operation by the task group on communication, [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]WG SR/TG 2[/FONT].
1. Why is SR so important?
In the wake of increasing globalization, we have become increasingly conscious not only of what we buy, but also how the goods and services we buy have been produced. Environmentally harmful production, child labour, dangerous working environments and other inhumane conditions are examples of issues being brought into the open. All companies and organizations aiming at long-term profitability and credibility are starting to realize that they must act in accordance with norms of right and wrong.
2. Why is it referred to as SR instead of CSR?
SR applies to more than just private companies. Corporate Social Responsibility, CSR, has been broadened to include governmental agencies and other organizations that have a clear interest in showing how they work.
3. Is legislation an alternative to SR?
Many feel that more legislation and regulation is the key to dealing with deficient social responsibility. Although this is certainly justified in some cases, it is rarely the only method of dealing with the problem. Regulation can be considered to be static and comes from the top down, standardization works from the bottom up, is dynamic in nature and simplifies development. Because it is based on voluntary action, consensus and openness, the result is a positive commitment, rather than a restrictive sense of obligation. The intention is also that the standard will contribute to greater awareness and wider observance of existing legislation and regulation.
4. Are not individual companies and organizations the best judge of what has to be done?
Many companies today have their own programs, policies and guidelines for SR, all very different. The head of a company or organisation is seldom interested in detailed studies of how each and every one of his/her contacts conduct their business according to their own model. It would mean an unreasonable amount of work. Common basic definitions, working methods and methods of evaluation would simplify things for everyone.
5. How are developing countries interests promoted?
The ISO Conference on Social Responsibility in Stockholm June 2004 included a pre-workshop for participants from developing countries sponsored by the Swedish aid organisation SIDA. When work began in 2005, another such workshop was held. It was decided at an early stage that this work would be conducted according to the co-chair concept. Candidates for leading positions would run in pairs – one from a developing country and one from an industrialized country.
6. Will the future SR standard (ISO 26000) be a standard for certification?
No. The document will be an ISO standard providing guidance and will not be intended for third-party certification.
7. Who will develop this standard?
The standard will be developed by experts of developed and developing countries from all stakeholders (Government, Industry, Labour, NGO´s, Consumers and Others) involved in this process to ensure balanced representation.
8. What is the definition of a standard?
STANDARD is a document, established by consensus and approved by a recognized body, that provides, for common and repeated use, rules, guidelines or characteristics for activities or their results, aimed at the achievement of the optimum degree of order in a given context.
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Randy

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Now we're back to developing countries........What classifies one as a developing country?

Is it a country age thing or what?
 
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Please note that one of the early changes to ISO 26000 was the removal of the word "corporate", in front of social responsibility. This was deliberately done to broaden the scope of coverage to also include governmental entities.

Pity it's still in this thread title, which I imagine may contribute to the misunderstanding (perhaps worth taking it out of the title here too?)

Great topic and thanks for all of the information - what a fascinating source of info this forum is. I love it! And thank you, Sidney et al, for all the info on this.

I've read the latest Committee Draft - can see how much hard work and thinking has gone into it. What a laudable and amazing enterprise.

For my money, I think it's a wonderful effort to get so many reps available from so many different countries and areas to achieve some kind of consensus on 'social responsibility'.

It's a guidance Standard, not an auditable one. It's use is purely voluntary. I really don't understand all the hoo-ha against it. I haven't seen anything to object to - in fact the reverse.
 

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It's a guidance Standard, not an auditable one. It's use is purely voluntary. I really don't understand all the hoo-ha against it. I haven't seen anything to object to - in fact the reverse.

Which will make it nearly worthless.

Incredible waste of time, effort and money......I thought this is partially what the UN was supposed to be about and boy we all know how effective their "rules" are.

The ISO should stick to it's original charter and not try to influence the internal workings of nations.
 
Re: ISO to develop a Guidance Document on Corporate Social Responsibility - some obje

Please note that one of the early changes to ISO 26000 was the removal of the word "corporate", in front of social responsibility. This was deliberately done to broaden the scope of coverage to also include governmental entities.

Thanks Sidney. I stand corrected. The document is about "Social Responsibility" of organizations not specific to Corporates.

With kind regards,

Ramakrishnan
 
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