Internal Auditing to ISO 9001 - How to schedule/plan and perform an ISO audit

It's too bad that an auditor can't develop a spine and drop the hammer for "lack of necessary resource", "lack of evidence of committment" and the "competency" thing I mentioned above.

Randy said:

It's too bad that an auditor can't develop a spine and drop the hammer for "lack of necessary resource", "lack of evidence of committment" and the "competency" thing I mentioned above.

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Randy,
That's a bit harsh, IMO - for all you know, this person is new to their facility and is trying to make a go of it. Not everyone is in a position at work that allows them to dictate to management that "we need this".

I agree 100% with you that there are definite issues here with lack of resources, but the point is that in a lot of organizations you need to make a clear-cut case and fight **** hard to get these kinds of resources. Sometimes it's just easier, and less draining, to try and "get competent" on your own. Lee isn't the only one who has made this attempt - Cari, for one, has stated that she did it on her own.

JMO...

Chill...

None of it is harsh. I can not give the whole story. I have been here 8 years - so I am not new. My company, it's always been an uphill battle and it always will be. I have to fight for most things I want or really need. I have been called into the corner pocket more than once - something I try to avoid but it happens.

I want training! I will keep fighting until I get it. Sure, I can teach myself but I don't have time to do that. My pre-audit is in September and my Registration audit is in October. Our QS-9000 cert expires Nov 24th!!!!

Waiting to the last minute to implement ISO 9001....SOOOOO NOT MY FAULT. (I warned everyone 2 years ago to no avail.)

Randy said:

It's too bad that an auditor can't develop a spine and drop the hammer for "lack of necessary resource", "lack of evidence of committment" and the "competency" thing I mentioned above.

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Where I work....it's not a matter of developing a spine, it's developing a "specific part of the male anatomy".....everyone got that? A "Johnson".

Lee said:

None of it is harsh. I can not give the whole story. I have been here 8 years - so I am not new. My company, it's always been an uphill battle and it always will be. I have to fight for most things I want or really need. I have been called into the corner pocket more than once - something I try to avoid but it happens.

I want training! I will keep fighting until I get it. Sure, I can teach myself but I don't have time to do that. My pre-audit is in September and my Registration audit is in October. Our QS-9000 cert expires Nov 24th!!!!

Waiting to the last minute to implement ISO 9001....SOOOOO NOT MY FAULT. (I warned everyone 2 years ago to no avail.)

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Lee, why do you continue to take a beating for 8 years. Surely with your experience and knowledge you can find a better job with a company that appreciates your abilities. I can't imagine a company that wants something done, and will not provide training resources to accomplish the objective.
May be time to move on

ralphsulser said:

Lee, why do you continue to take a beating for 8 years. Surely with your experience and knowledge you can find a better job with a company that appreciates your abilities. I can't imagine a company that wants something done, and will not provide training resources to accomplish the objective.
May be time to move on

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I'm masochistic? I really like the challenge - keeps it all interesting. I do not let myself get stressed for things that are beyond my control. That's how I deal with it all. I like the company for who it is at heart. I like the location. Other than the political side of it all, they treat me well. I have weighed the pros and cons and the pros outweigh the cons. They will provide some type of resources, eventually. Maybe not what I want but better than nothing.

Lee said:

Yes...I am perusing the cove and downloading lots of stuff. Also searched internet for freebies too. The process approach is something I have never been exposed to until recently. I am searching for introductory materials on that topic - anything I can find for free. I really do not understand the "process approach" and I am trying to read and learn on my own.

Thanks!

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Can somebody show Lee a turtle please.

Turtles?

How, why, and when is a Turtle used? Sorry to be ignorant...but that's what it is - I regretfully admit. I do not have any experience with them.

Hi Lee, a turtle diagram is one method to describe a process that is very popular with the automotive industry, and AIAG (It's also sometimes called an octopus, if memory serves correctly). I do not have a good diagram in electronic form that I can post - but here is a brief description:

Think of the inputs to your process as being the legs on one end of the turtle, the process being the body, and the outputs from the process as being the legs on the other end. In America, inputs are normally on the left side and outputs on the right side. Hope the info helps.

1 Turtle Diagram coming up...it has a small animation, just click the center.